The post on “Why the Synod Puppeteers owe an Apology” has been gently hijacked by the burning question and serious opinions on the role (or not) of silence before Mass.
Here are those comments, to get the discussion going, transferred here from the comments to the Synod post.
Additional comments will be shown as, uuhh, “Comments”, following this post.
That’s how I’ll weigh in too, rather than hijack the hijackers’ presentation
I was attending mass in a parish in the southern tier. The topic was caring for the poor and I had a tough time with it.
But I was biased before Mass even started. Please tell me if I am wrong and standoffish. I arrived early, about 25 minutes before mass started and all was well. But about 15 minutes later, things started to get out of hand as more and more people came into church and most began chit chatting with their friends. Now, mass is begun with a procession, starting in the back of church. To get there the deacon and priest came down from the altar and walked toward the back of the church……… making social calls with everyone they saw. I was going to go to mass the following Monday and wanted to view the readings since I still had time. But as I was reading the deacon passed by me and, in order to be “friendly”, made a joke about my being on my I phone. I didn’t return the comment. And then, to make matters worse, the deacon, upon starting mass, tells the congregation to turn around and greet their neighbor.
I think this is disrespectful to God. No one is thinking of Him as they speak with their neighbor. I was so angry that I just passed the deacon after mass and didn’t speak with him.
You must’ve missed the reference to the 2nd Commandment in yesterday’s Gospel.
Are you saying it’s OK to conduct oneself like that before mass…. and I might also say some of the culprits do this during mass, even immediately after receiving Our Lord in the Eucharist.
If so, then does the second commandment state you must love your neighbor at the expense of mocking and disrespecting God?
Conduct themselves like what? Trying to be friendly, social, and communal?
Do people go too far with that sometimes? Certainly.
But getting your feathers ruffled over a deacon who was trying to be friendly seems to be going a bit too far the other way IMHO.
I was reading scripture and trying to pray. I did not approach him.
You can be friendly after mass, outside church, possibly at those parish after mass get togethers. And if you really want to be social, you can actually call your friend and communicate on the phone or make arrangements to get together.
Do you really think people actually reverence and respect the Blessed Sacrament when they are making social rounds in church,
E, exaggeration does not change the fact that there is little respect for Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. Jesus desparately wants a relationship with us. How seldom we make Him happy be cooperating with His grace.
One morer item. Doesn’t charity mean having respect for those in church who WANT to pray? Doesn’t the constant talking and loud voices interfere with someone’s ability. Isn’t charity looking out and loving your neighbor? It sounds like the chatterers in church are not showing charity to those who desire quiet time to pray. It seems they are more interested in satisfying their own needs and ignoring the needs of their neighbor. Sounds like a lack of charity to me.
Someone’s ability to pray. It’s tough praying over the distraction of constant talking.
From a blog from Monsignor Charles Pope (Diocese of Washington):
“And while strict silence in churches may have its appeal, there are legitimate concerns raised by enforcing it today as we shall see, since it may be in tension with legitimate concerns for the communal nature of Sunday Mass”
“As a general rule, especially on Sunday and other designated Mass times, the parish church is not a private chapel, but rather, is first and foremost a place of public prayer.”
“To be avoided is an attitude which might say something like, “I go to church on Sunday to pray to God, not to be bothered by other people.” No, Sunday morning is a day of communal prayer to God. Even in relatively quiet parishes, there are going to be crying babies, the sound of shuffling feet, coughs and sneezes, and any number of things.”
“Keeping the church with an atmosphere conducive to private prayer, while a good value, is not the first and most essential focus of Sunday morning in the Catholic Parish. Rather, it is to provide an atmosphere conducive to the gathering of God’s people…”
“And though we ought to avoid behaving in the Church of God in ways that take no notice of the Lord’s presence in the tabernacle, it does not follow that Jesus is offended that the members of his body enjoy the company of one another.”
“And the conversation isn’t all frivolous. There are concerns expressed, and significant news shared. There are prayer requests and invitations made to important gatherings and meetings in the parish etc. And yes, there is also banter of a less edifying sort.”
Please forgive me if I’m off base here, but haven’t the comments, while well thought-out and expressed, gotten away from the point of this post; the mis-information that was publicized during the synod and the fallout from that ill-conceived communique?
Might the comments on Sunday Mass belong in a separate post?
I don’t disagree.
I was just responding to Richard’s comments.
I don’t have the ability to start a new thread……
I wasn’t singling you out, my comment was meant as more of a general observation.
But I also believe that this is a pervasive enough situation for someone who can start a new thread to do so.
I am sorry for hijacking this thread. I express my ignorance. I don’t know how to start another thread, nor do I think I would have any authority since I am a guest on this site.Forgive me if I respond.E,“Tension for the legitimate concerns for the communal nature of mass”. Here we have it. The vertical nature of the purpose of mass is now replaced by a horisontal nature where man is dominant.I guess Johnny’s birthday, Jim’s new car, the upcoming party, the Bills football team, Jane’s new dress ect are the new justifiable concerns of the communal nature. And to that, I say BS!Yes, Public prayer. All of us need to pray when we go to Church. All should express reverence and charity toward those who also want to pray.What a misuse of words. Not be bothered by people…as if that is the justification for talking about the Bills, a new car etc. His statement is just another attempt to get around honor, praise and the worshop of God by disguising substituting mere socialization for prayer. And praying in church is now equated to hating and ignoring our neighbor, like the priest did in the parable of the Good Samaritan.And more nonsense to state that Jesus being offended by socialization. Of course not. Common sense. But by the volume of talking before mass Father has disproved his last statement and very underestimated his statement….“And the conversation isn’t all frivolous. There are concerns expressed, and significant news shared. There are prayer requests and invitations made to important gatherings and meetings in the parish etc. And yes, there is also banter of a less edifying sort.”Sorry, from what I and I am sure everyone else has heard before mass the conversation is frivilous with almost all banter with NO prayer requests. I am sorry If Father is so concerned about gatherings and meetings, then why , after Communion does the priest make announcements concerning the content of the Sunday bulletin that announces parish gatherings and meetings etc? Sounds like our gabby parishoners now have one less thing to talk about before mass.What example does this give to children? Children are influenced by adults. Seeing such irreverence surely tells them that church is no special event and that it is equivalent to secular events.